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From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)
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Subject: Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians
Date: 14 May 93 18:27:03 GMT
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jovanovic-nick@yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes:

>In article <1sufneINNe4f@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>>
>>In article <1sueslINNa6g@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>,
>>jovanovic-nick@yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes: 
>>
>>> "Muslim" in ex-Yugoslavia was a *nation* not a religion.  In fact, not
>>> all Muslims in B-H are followers of Islam.  Therefore, there do (did?)
>>> exist in ex-Yugoslavia "Christian Muslims."  
>>
>>Yeah!  That's it! :)  You've really outdone yourself this time Nick...
>>Don't forget the "Davidian Muslims"... :)
>>
>>Islam is not a race.  It's a religion.  You can be white, black,
>>Fijian or Alaskan. 

>This does not change the *fact* that "Muslim" is a legal and political
>term defined constitutionally in former Yugoslavia, and therefore has
>meaning and consequences entirely *independent* and *immaterial* of
>any religious considerations.
Not to muslims :)
> 

>>> It is a
>>> civil war in which the terms of secession are being negotiated with guns
>>> instead of pens.  The Croat, Muslim, and Serb political leaders *all*
>>> chose to fight over the terms of secession instead of compromising and
>>> peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements. 


That could be arguable.. (for bandwith and flames sake, I wont say more)


>>
>>Terms of secession?  You are, of course, joking, right Nick?  Nobody
>>*chose* to fight.  Bosnia and Croatia were *internationally*
>>recognized nations when the Serbs attacked and started on their
>>well-documented genocide.  That makes them an outside aggressor.  It's
>>a simple genocide, a classical example of ethnic cleansing.  There is
>>no question of civil war...

>You only wish it were so.
It is a civil war, but the serbian generals who allow rape are not fighting
fair.  Yah I know .. war is hell  ..  those serbian generals are propretuating
both..

>More than 2,000,000 residents of Croatia and B-H have *not* accepted the
>terms of secession which Tudjman and Izetbegovic unilaterally forced upon
>them.  Croats and Muslims may have a right to negotiated secession but
>they do not have a right to grab the *entire* territories of the former
>Yugoslav republics of Croatia and B-H.
Lines and bordres .. money .. power .. fear .. 

>Oh, BTW, *Yugoslavia* was *internationally recognized* when it was 
>destroyed by Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Milosevic, and the international
>community led by Germany.  If Yugoslavia's borders could be changed
>against its will, then certainly Croatia's borders and B-H's borders
>can be changed as well.  
Let's change canadian bordres while we are at it :) 
I see this as civvil war..
(sp borders)

>As I have stated many times: the civil war in ex-Yugoslavia will end
>when the terms of secession (borders, etc.) for Croatia and B-H are
>finally agreed upon.  Serbs, Croats, and Muslims will *all* have to
>make territorial concessions to reach such an agreement.  


Possibly..  I do agree that it is a civil war, which makes the donation of
humanitarian aid even more complex...  I mean serbs are bleeding too and I heardthat a few croats had raped serbian women.. (unconfurmable at this point)


>-Nick




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